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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
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Nursing a baby and giving birth to one in a delivery room in reality is entirely different from simulating the act on a virtual "online social entertainment" site. Like you've stated yourself in your recent commentary, giving birth to live children, is natural. Simulating giving birth to one online, is anything but. It's the reason why some acts that are carried out on this site are accepted and tolerated whereas in real life, they wouldn't be.


Its roleplay, and your point is.....?

Whats the point of roleplay if there cannot be some flavour of reality? There are some aspects which are simply irrelevant to the roleplay.

When you have a headache, your avatar does not need to take ibuprophen. Your avatar does not need to spend an afternoon doing laundry. Your virtual room does not need dusting and vacuuming. You do not need to pay for staff at a posh club.

But you do try to make your avatar and rooms appear in a reasonable semblance of believable reality... you do try to keep the storyline of your play in some congruence of credibility.

Otherwise, whats the point? The question then becomes, why even bother to engage in IMVU at all? Even if its simply for chatting, you still strive for some imitation of reality without the hassles. Thats what makes it virtual.

It is roleplay but it doesn't matter how diligently one attempts to emulate the natural world utilizing this or similar virtual ones, in instances like the one the OP was wondering about, it remains unnatural/synthetic/not real and revolting.


How in the world could nature be "revolting"? Its nature... it was here long before our "sense of dignity". If anything, it is we who revolt against nature.

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There's a barrier between reality and virtual, natural and unnatural.


Only by our conscious cognizance is it different, but its concept is exactly the same. Giving birth physically and giving birth virtually are different; but to the mind only, giving birth and the idea of giving birth are both the same thing.

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Your perception of my criticism of the unnatural led you to believe that I was castigating women in the natural world for nursing their children, babies kicking in the womb, etc. And that's your dilemma. You need to separate the two worlds, the reality and the virtual, the natural and the unnatural.


Nursing children and babies kicking in the womb are natural... imitating it on a virtual site does not make them unnatural. Imitating the natural on the unnatural does not make it revolting anymore than writing instead of speaking changes the meaning of words.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
SqueakyLass wrote:
GQManOfTheYear wrote:
Nursing a baby and giving birth to one in a delivery room in reality is entirely different from simulating the act on a virtual "online social entertainment" site. Like you've stated yourself in your recent commentary, giving birth to live children, is natural. Simulating giving birth to one online, is anything but. It's the reason why some acts that are carried out on this site are accepted and tolerated whereas in real life, they wouldn't be.


Its roleplay, and your point is.....?

Whats the point of roleplay if there cannot be some flavour of reality? There are some aspects which are simply irrelevant to the roleplay.

When you have a headache, your avatar does not need to take ibuprophen. Your avatar does not need to spend an afternoon doing laundry. Your virtual room does not need dusting and vacuuming. You do not need to pay for staff at a posh club.

But you do try to make your avatar and rooms appear in a reasonable semblance of believable reality... you do try to keep the storyline of your play in some congruence of credibility.

Otherwise, whats the point? The question then becomes, why even bother to engage in IMVU at all? Even if its simply for chatting, you still strive for some imitation of reality without the hassles. Thats what makes it virtual.

It is roleplay but it doesn't matter how diligently one attempts to emulate the natural world utilizing this or similar virtual ones, in instances like the one the OP was wondering about, it remains unnatural/synthetic/not real and revolting.

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How in the world could nature be "revolting"? Its nature... it was here long before our "sense of dignity". If anything, it is we who revolt against nature.


You're employing a "straw man" argument and altering the basis of my contention with one that's convenient for you to argue against. Malone initiated a thread entitled, "Who reads those 40000 word essays in replys?" In that thread, I explained that part of the reason why individuals like myself wrote lengthy responses to threads was because people often (inappropriately) criticize others for not stating the obvious, because that's the kind of society we live in today. People want individuals' sentiments out in the open, and this leads to the writer ultimately writing a lengthy commentary. And that's what occurred here as you employed the straw man argument. You asked, "How in the world could nature be "revolting"? Its nature... it was here long before our "sense of dignity". If anything, it is we who revolt against nature." My issue and contention isn't with females giving birth in the real/natural world or with anything having to do with the real/natural world. My disagreement derives from your inability to isolate and distinguish the real/natural world from the virtual/unnatural world.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
There's a barrier between reality and virtual, natural and unnatural.

SqueakyLass wrote:
Only by our conscious cognizance is it different, but its concept is exactly the same. Giving birth physically and giving birth virtually are different; but to the mind only, giving birth and the idea of giving birth are both the same thing.


You've equated the real with the virtual again. There are experiences and feelings that are experienced and felt that are exclusive solely to the real world. You can't tell a mother who's been through the 9 month process that her experiences are similar to that of an aloof and perverted teenaged bimbo on IMVU looking to discover what giving birth is like. It's not the same thing.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
Your perception of my criticism of the unnatural led you to believe that I was castigating women in the natural world for nursing their children, babies kicking in the womb, etc. And that's your dilemma. You need to separate the two worlds, the reality and the virtual, the natural and the unnatural.

SqueakyLass wrote:
Nursing children and babies kicking in the womb are natural... imitating it on a virtual site does not make them unnatural. Imitating the natural on the unnatural does not make it revolting anymore than writing instead of speaking changes the meaning of words.


That's EXACTLY what it makes it, unnatural. In fact it's doubly synthetic because 1) you're imitating the original, which doesn't reproduce that copy into an original, but an inferior type (in this instance, an inferior type of experience and feeling-contrasted against the real world), and then 2) you're imitating it in a non-reality/natural, virtual world. That's why it IS distasteful and revolting. Why do you think that a majority of society had moral and ethical issues with cloning animals, including fish for consumption? Because it wasn't natural/organic to us humans and people held concerns that the results would yield "abnormal" supplies due to its inferiority of the original.

Ultimately, we disagree. We can go on and on ad nauseum, but we disagree.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone have a baby with me?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Someone have a baby with me?

Do you want your inbox to explode?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Someone have a baby with me?


Only if you do the breastfeeding. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I so would like to see all the pregnancy stuff in the AP section.

you have/had even poses to give birth, a baby would be pooped out. There are belly's when u zoom in you can see the foetus. Nothing so strange or u will be able to find it in the cata. Except feeling the real experience (and for most that should be a good thing lol).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
You're employing a "straw man" argument and altering the basis of my contention with one that's convenient for you to argue against.


You contend that enacting a pregnancy in a virtual medium is somehow a crime of revolt (thus by definition, requiring an action of correction to set things aright). Where is the straw man?

Since it is regarded as a "crime", such a debate is not a contest of mere opinions but of establishing facts before the glut of censor-enthusiasts employ their pastimes to it.

my responses only seem lengthy to you, but are no longer than your own posts. In fact, nearly half the posting space is consumed by quoting your own posts for points of reference.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
My disagreement derives from your inability to isolate and distinguish the real/natural world from the virtual/unnatural world.


GQManOfTheYear wrote:
There are experiences and feelings that are experienced and felt that are exclusive solely to the real world. You can't tell a mother who's been through the 9 month process that her experiences are similar to that of an aloof and perverted teenaged bimbo on IMVU looking to discover what giving birth is like. It's not the same thing.


No, its not real, and no one here thinks that it is. But the concept of giving birth and roleplaying the idea are the same thing. No one expects to experience all the nuances, emotions and tribulations of real birth. Thats completely ridiculous.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
SqueakyLass wrote:
Nursing children and babies kicking in the womb are natural... imitating it on a virtual site does not make them unnatural. Imitating the natural on the unnatural does not make it revolting anymore than writing instead of speaking changes the meaning of words.


That's EXACTLY what it makes it, unnatural. In fact it's doubly synthetic because 1) you're imitating the original, which doesn't reproduce that copy into an original, but an inferior type (in this instance, an inferior type of experience and feeling-contrasted against the real world), and then 2) you're imitating it in a non-reality/natural, virtual world. That's why it IS distasteful and revolting. Why do you think that a majority of society had moral and ethical issues with cloning animals, including fish for consumption? Because it wasn't natural/organic to us humans and people held concerns that the results would yield "abnormal" supplies due to its inferiority of the original.


You are the only one thats comparing virtual with real here and somehow coming to a conclusion that its some sort of crime to roleplay a pregnancy.

Its not real, and no one here thinks that it is. No one expects it to be anywhere near reality. my avatar often dances in four inch heels. If i did that in reality, i'd be hobbling off the dance floor with two twisted ankles.

No one is talking about cloning or replacing natural pregnancy with virtual...

If you draw a tree with crayons, is that a crime against nature? If you write a fictional story, since its not real, does that make you a liar? And of this fictional story, is it not more interesting to the reader to detail it with more realism?

Realism does not make it real, nor does it seek to replace reality.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SqueakyLass wrote:
GQManOfTheYear wrote:
You're employing a "straw man" argument and altering the basis of my contention with one that's convenient for you to argue against.


You contend that enacting a pregnancy in a virtual medium is somehow a crime of revolt (thus by definition, requiring an action of correction to set things aright). Where is the straw man?

Since it is regarded as a "crime", such a debate is not a contest of mere opinions but of establishing facts before the glut of censor-enthusiasts employ their pastimes to it.

my responses only seem lengthy to you, but are no longer than your own posts. In fact, nearly half the posting space is consumed by quoting your own posts for points of reference.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
My disagreement derives from your inability to isolate and distinguish the real/natural world from the virtual/unnatural world.


GQManOfTheYear wrote:
There are experiences and feelings that are experienced and felt that are exclusive solely to the real world. You can't tell a mother who's been through the 9 month process that her experiences are similar to that of an aloof and perverted teenaged bimbo on IMVU looking to discover what giving birth is like. It's not the same thing.


No, its not real, and no one here thinks that it is. But the concept of giving birth and roleplaying the idea are the same thing. No one expects to experience all the nuances, emotions and tribulations of real birth. Thats completely ridiculous.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
SqueakyLass wrote:
Nursing children and babies kicking in the womb are natural... imitating it on a virtual site does not make them unnatural. Imitating the natural on the unnatural does not make it revolting anymore than writing instead of speaking changes the meaning of words.


That's EXACTLY what it makes it, unnatural. In fact it's doubly synthetic because 1) you're imitating the original, which doesn't reproduce that copy into an original, but an inferior type (in this instance, an inferior type of experience and feeling-contrasted against the real world), and then 2) you're imitating it in a non-reality/natural, virtual world. That's why it IS distasteful and revolting. Why do you think that a majority of society had moral and ethical issues with cloning animals, including fish for consumption? Because it wasn't natural/organic to us humans and people held concerns that the results would yield "abnormal" supplies due to its inferiority of the original.


You are the only one thats comparing virtual with real here and somehow coming to a conclusion that its some sort of crime to roleplay a pregnancy.

Its not real, and no one here thinks that it is. No one expects it to be anywhere near reality. my avatar often dances in four inch heels. If i did that in reality, i'd be hobbling off the dance floor with two twisted ankles.

No one is talking about cloning or replacing natural pregnancy with virtual...

If you draw a tree with crayons, is that a crime against nature? If you write a fictional story, since its not real, does that make you a liar? And of this fictional story, is it not more interesting to the reader to detail it with more realism?

Realism does not make it real, nor does it seek to replace reality.

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
Ultimately, we disagree. We can go on and on ad nauseum, but we disagree.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GQManOfTheYear wrote:
SqueakyLass wrote:
Realism does not make it real, nor does it seek to replace reality.


GQManOfTheYear wrote:
Ultimately, we disagree. We can go on and on ad nauseum, but we disagree.


It goes beyond mere disagreement.
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The Count is holding an object. Is he holding the number one? Or is he holding a cardboard cutout of a symbol representing the number one?

In the mind, it represents one and therefore, IS one for the purposes of conceptualizing. One and the representation of one becomes the same thing to the mind.
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This is not a pipe; its a picture of a pipe.

Does this fact change ones perception of a pipe, real or imagined? No... to the mind, it is the same perception.

We know that its merely a picture of a pipe but it still reminds us of all the functions, the feel, the smells and nuances of a real pipe. What it represents is recalled fully to our consciousness.

So when it is stated that pregnancy, birthing and breastfeeding in a virtual medium is 'revolting' against nature, it is complete and utter nonsense, for they are merely representations of natural reality. The concepts of them are exactly the same.
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Why do i belabour all this? Because concept is the very foundation upon which IMVU and all other virtual sites are built. These sites cannot even exist without conceptualizing. So to argue against conceptualizing on a site that is completely built upon conceptualizing is pure lunacy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SqueakyLass wrote:
GQManOfTheYear wrote:
SqueakyLass wrote:
Realism does not make it real, nor does it seek to replace reality.


GQManOfTheYear wrote:
Ultimately, we disagree. We can go on and on ad nauseum, but we disagree.


It goes beyond mere disagreement.
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Philosophy 101

Concepts do not exist in the universe, but that does not make them any less real. Numbers are real, but they do not exist.



The Count is holding an object. Is he holding the number one? Or is he holding a cardboard cutout of a symbol representing the number one?

In the mind, it represents one and therefore, IS one for the purposes of conceptualizing. One and the representation of one becomes the same thing to the mind.
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(Mod edit - Image removed.)

This is not a pipe; its a picture of a pipe.

Does this fact change ones perception of a pipe, real or imagined? No... to the mind, it is the same perception.

We know that its merely a picture of a pipe but it still reminds us of all the functions, the feel, the smells and nuances of a real pipe. What it represents is recalled fully to our consciousness.

So when it is stated that pregnancy, birthing and breastfeeding in a virtual medium is 'revolting' against nature, it is complete and utter nonsense, for they are merely representations of natural reality. The concepts of them are exactly the same.
______________________________________________________________________________

Why do i belabour all this? Because concept is the very foundation upon which IMVU and all other virtual sites are built. These sites cannot even exist without conceptualizing. So to argue against conceptualizing on a site that is completely built upon conceptualizing is pure lunacy.


An incredible post, Lass. Thank you.

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